Homosexuals Part 2

Well, I has some people said good stuff about it.

That is great Freedom1611.

Then I has people said other stuff about it.

That is disgusting. The hatred those people have is just sick.

Great, we have some true intellectuals on this site... Please lets not forget that the old testament says that homosexuality is a sin before God, that I can sell my eldest daughter into slavery, that I can stone my brother for making threads from different cloths, that touching the skin of a pig makes one unclean, that one can be put to death for working on the sabbath. Am I gay? No! You have been given the freedom to practice religion. I respect that. I personally believe that most religions limit a person's ability to think freely and generally breed intolerant/ ignorant people, but I still believe that it is your right to practice religion. . Do you realize that Jesus hung out with whores and some of the more unsavory people of his time. That his teachings were of tolerance and love. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone! If you really want to argue about the sanctity of marriage I think it would be better to start by looking at the stupidly high divorce rates in this country.

A other man say this.

You are right in that he ate and drank with whores and thieves, but you must realize that Christ taught a message of repentance as well. You used the scripture of the 'adulterous woman' and Christ telling the Jews to cast the first stone if they were without sin. But you failed to quote the end of that particular text where Christ tells the woman to 'go and sin no more' (John 8:11). Christ did not embrace the sin of those he ate and drank with; he called them to repentance and showed them their need of a savior. See the problem here and whenever subjects such as these come up is that some people don't have any problem with taking scripture out of its context and twisting it to fit their own carnal impulses. Mapoftazifosho, you wouldn't like it if I used your words to do that, so why is it we find it so easy to take scripture and flippantly throw verses at someone before we take the time to make sure that the text actually supports what we are saying. The theological term is called hermeneutics or exegesis. When we are injecting our own opinions into the text or twisting it to make it say something it's not is called Eisegesis. Do not get me wrong though, Paul places lying, fornicating, idolatry, adultery, effemination, stealing, coveting, drunkenness, reviling and swindling all on the same level as homosexuality( 1 Cor 6:9-11). What Paul is teaching is the continual lusting after these things and the continual rejection of Christ as the reason these people will not receive eternal life.

In response to Freedom1611 and the rest of those here who are quick to judge homosexuals (and a reminder to myself). The rest of Romans chapter 1 and chapter 2 which does indeed condemn homosexuals also condemns you. Read all of chapter 1 and 2 and you will see that not only homo's but those who envy , murder, cause strife, deceit, malice, who are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful are worthy of death. Paul begins Romans chapter 2 after listing all of these actions in Ch.1 by saying: Rom 2:1 - Therefore you have no excuse, everyone of you who passes judgment, for in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.

So I say this.




Homosexuals appear in the bible in the cities of Sodom and Gomarrah. God in His conversation in with Abraham said that the sin (homosexuals) of theses two cites was grieuous! Gen. 18:20

And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;


The sin he was talking about was obvious as you read Genesis Chapter 19. God has promised Abraham that he would spare the city if there were only ten righteousness men there, but even ten could not be found! Gen. 19:24-25.


Gen 19

¶ And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.
And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.
¶ But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:
And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.
Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.
And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.
But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.
And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.
¶ And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place:
For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.
And Lot went out, and spake unto his sons in law, which married his daughters, and said, Up, get you out of this place; for the LORD will destroy this city. But he seemed as one that mocked unto his sons in law.
¶ And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city.
And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the LORD being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city.
And it came to pass, when they had brought them forth abroad, that he said, Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed.
And Lot said unto them, Oh, not so, my Lord:
Behold now, thy servant hath found grace in thy sight, and thou hast magnified thy mercy, which thou hast shewed unto me in saving my life; and I cannot escape to the mountain, lest some evil take me, and I die:
Behold now, this city is near to flee unto, and it is a little one: Oh, let me escape thither, (is it not a little one?) and my soul shall live.
And he said unto him, See, I have accepted thee concerning this thing also, that I will not overthrow this city, for the which thou hast spoken.
Haste thee, escape thither; for I cannot do any thing till thou be come thither. Therefore the name of the city was called Zoar.
The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar.
¶ Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.
¶ But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.
¶ And Abraham gat up early in the morning to the place where he stood before the LORD:
And he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the plain, and beheld, and, lo, the smoke of the country went up as the smoke of a furnace.
And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the plain, that God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when he overthrew the cities in the which Lot dwelt.
¶ And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.
And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:
Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.
And the firstborn bare a son, and called his name Moab: the same is the father of the Moabites unto this day.
And the younger, she also bare a son, and called his name Benammi: the same is the father of the children of Ammon unto this day.



Gen 19:24-25

¶ Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.


¶ Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;

And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.




The lifestyle of the two cities was disgusting enough for God to destroy them and all the inhabitants! He even purified the ground and plains around the cites with fire. It almost look like a nuclear blast as it was so hot it turned Lot's Wife into a pillar of salt. This is a brutally harsh judgment what some today call " an alternate lifestyles"! Again in Levituicus, God expresses His feeling on this sin in the form of a commandment.

Leviticus 18:22.

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.



So, No matter what anyone say about the homosexuals act being "OK" and being an alternate lifestyle, God make it plain that is is an abomination to him and a sin WORTHY OF DEATH!!

Levituicus. 20:13.

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.


Else where in the Old Testament, sodomites were called abominations in 1 Kings 14:24, had their houses torn down in 2 Kings 23:7, and were generally condemned in many places.


1 Kings 14:24

And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.

2 Kings 23:7

And he brake down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove.


But, was we have read meant only the Old Testament Jew, or is there New Testament Scripture that applies? Let's look first in Romans Chapter one.

Rom 1:18-32

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
¶ Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.



So in the New Testament we see that the homosexuals act is still a sin considered worthy of death by God. See also I Corinthians 6:9 where the effeminate, and abusers shall not inherit the Kingdom of God, and I Timothy 1;9-10, where again it condemns those who defile themselves with mankind. Althought, by the liberal's standard, God is "insensitive," 'intolerant," and "mean spirited' toward what they call an "alternate lifestyle," He has clearly made His point.

I Corinthians 6:9

¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,



Timothy 1;9-10

Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;






So there it is! In plain grade English in both Testaments. Like it or not, agree with it or not, it is still straight from the Living Word of the Living God. The same Book that accurately, and without a single error, prophesied over three hundred (300) events that have already come true. It has also prophesied your destiny if you rejust It's truths! Now, these Scriptures are a good example of why so many people in our so called, "modern, educated, and enlightened" society hate God's Book! They hate it because it reveals their sins. Not just this particular sin (homosexual), but all the others they covet and love so much.


If we look back to the beginning it is easy to see what God's plan for man was with regard to relations. First of all, God created "Adam and Eve" ( not "Adam and Steve")! He created man and women and told them to " Be fruitful, muitiply, and replinish the earth." ( Gen. 1:28) Two men cannot join together and create life, neither can two women. Male with male, and female with female is against nature. it is sin and against God. It is suicide for any society to condone and allow such behavior to be accepted as normal and good, because it is neither. it is not an alternate lifestyle and studies have proven people are not " born as homosexuals" contrary to what some say to justify their sin.

Where do you read in the Bible that Jesus Christ hung out with whores and some of the more
unsavory people of his time.?

Jesus Christ is GOD. The LORD OF LORD. He is the Only true GOD in the whole world, and He is HOLY, I mean really HOLY!!!

In John 8, It say He wrote on the ground, what He wrote was Leviticus 20:10, And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. SO He (Jesus Christ) say you stone the adulterer and the adulteress and the Jews in John 8, did not did that. So that why He say in John 8:7

John 8:7

So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. Because the Jews did not did what He ( Jesus Christ) say.

If you think Jesus Christ only is loving and think people should not talk about other people religion. You has NOT read Matthew, Mark, Luke, John.


Matthew 23:13-33

¶ But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.
Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.
And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.
And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?


Matthew 15:6-9

And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.


Matthew 25:41

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:


Matthew 25:46

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


Luke 11:29-47

¶ And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.
For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.
The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with the men of this generation, and condemn them: for she came from the utmost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
No man, when he hath lighted a candle, putteth it in a secret place, neither under a bushel, but on a candlestick, that they which come in may see the light.
The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when thine eye is evil, thy body also is full of darkness.
Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness.
If thy whole body therefore be full of light, having no part dark, the whole shall be full of light, as when the bright shining of a candle doth give thee light.
¶ And as he spake, a certain Pharisee besought him to dine with him: and he went in, and sat down to meat.
And when the Pharisee saw it, he marvelled that he had not first washed before dinner.
And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness.
Ye fools, did not he that made that which is without make that which is within also?
But rather give alms of such things as ye have; and, behold, all things are clean unto you.
But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye love the uppermost seats in the synagogues, and greetings in the markets.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them.
Then answered one of the lawyers, and said unto him, Master, thus saying thou reproachest us also.
And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers.
Woe unto you! for ye build the sepulchres of the prophets, and your fathers killed them.



Luke 11:52

Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.


John 8:44

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


Jesus Christ talk about Hell (Luke 16) more than He talk about Heaven (John 14).

I am not being mean and hater, I just showing what God say from His Word the Bible (KJV)

Have a goodday!!!

BYE


They say not said any more. I will let you know if they say any more.


Dave